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RE: wardriving a crime in Florida?
by Welsh, Ed 08 Jul '05

08 Jul '05

IMHO, a network left unprotected forfeits prosecution of simple use. I have four WiFi networks available in my home. These networks are broadcast by various neighbors and depending on which part of my house you are in will determine which network you access. Since these networks are open, my system will autoconnect and get an ip on the strongest one. Simply getting a DHCP address means that the network has been accessed. Setting a precedent that would make this illegal would mean slapping a felony on everyone with a modern WiFi capable computer that stands in range of an open network. Now if proof can be made that a system has been harmed or improperly accessed, then all rules apply. Just browsing the internet is not harmful. Installing a virus on a PC accessible via local WiFi is harmful and should be prosecuted. Even some mobile phones are WiFi capable. Just going for a walk in my neighborhood with one of these would put you within the realm of felony prosecution. Everytime a network is available the phone would pickup a Yahoo! or MSN messenger friend list. Hopefully the judge has some sense. EW -----Original Message----- From: John Townsend [mailto:tragicallykarmic@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 11:05 AM To: kclug(a)kclug.org Subject: Re: wardriving a crime in Florida? This is where I think the whole thing gets a little bit tricky, the articles I read seemed set up to try and start a panic among less technical people. I wouldn't be surprised if we see people who go wardriving without acessing the networks getting arrested soon. It will be interesting to see what the charge will be. I believe the guy in Florida was charged with network intrusion. I think it will all come down to whether or not his lawyer can convince the judge that accessing a network that has been intentionally left open is not "intruding". If this is the case it will probably lead to a legal precedent and a lot of confusion. I mean you have open networks that have been left open, open networks where the owner doesn't know how to close it, closed networks that have been cracked, closed networks that have been cracked by somebody else and look open. Plus the issues of usage and intent. Should get interesting. --- Matthew Copple <mcopple(a)gmail.com> wrote: > It is widely accepted that breaking into someone's computer and using > it without their consent is a crime, or at the very least, a Bad Thing > To Do -- even if the user invites a takeover attempt by failing to > secure his system. Walking into someone's house without her permission > is also a crime, even if the owner leaves the door and windows wide > open. Hopping into an unlocked car and taking it for a drive (even if > you return it) is still theft. > > How would jumping on someone's wi-fi connection be any different? > > Matt > > _______________________________________________ Kclug mailing list Kclug(a)kclug.org http://kclug.org/mailman/listinfo/kclug The information transmitted in this e-mail is intended only for the addressee and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any interception, review, retransmission, dissemination, or other use of, or taking of any action upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited by law and may subject them to criminal or civil liability. If you received this communication in error, please contact us immediately at 816.421.6611, and delete the communication from any computer or network system.

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Re: Debian With Raid
by rcedelman＠comcast.net 08 Jul '05

08 Jul '05

I'll agree with Jason about using an LSI Logic board over a 3ware. However, I've got to disagree about the SATA drives. SATA is nice from a price/capacity standpoint, but they're still horribly unreliable. IMO, spend the extra money on a SCSI card and some nice SCSI drives.. 15k RPM 174GB drives are great. MUCH more reliable than SATA. You'll be happy you spent the extra money down the road. FWIW, we have a HP MSA1500 SAN here at work, with 2 MSA 20s, fully populated. That's 24 250GB SATA drives. We just had yet another drive fail. Second one in 2 months, and the third or fourth since we bought the SAN. Performance isn't all that great, we wish we would have spent the extra money on the MSA 30s, which are SCSI enclosures. Rich > _______________________________________________ > Kclug mailing list > Kclug(a)kclug.org > http://kclug.org/mailman/listinfo/kclug

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Debian With Raid
by Thom Morrow 08 Jul '05

08 Jul '05

I am looking for a file server solution for my work. I am planning on running Debian/Samba with a hardware raid (mirrored). I have looked around for a Raid Controller and from what I can tell 3ware makes the most compatible. Do you all happen to know if my research is correct? If not could you suggest a better solution? Thanks Thom No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.10/43 - Release Date: 7/6/2005

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Linux, Zaurus, cheap wireless internet
by Jared 07 Jul '05

07 Jul '05

So I have this idea that you could take a Zaurus-like box stripped down to bare minimum and have it dedicated to running a single application, Mozilla. Plug in a wireless card, and make enough of them to sell for about $100 or $200, cheap enough for poor people to afford. Then put up a few hotspots, charge $10 a month for unlimited download to these devices, and make a living thereby. Or convince a city council to do so. It's just an idea, and I'm already making a living, so it's all speculative, but here's my question: Being that the Zaurus still sells for just under $1000, how could this happen: a. Acquire a boatload of used Zauruses from Ebay b. Make a contract with China for Zaurus-lite thingys c. Some other form of hardware device I don't know about which already exists, and which costs less. d. Angel investors, inspired by the noble cause of closing the digital divide. Any suggestions? -Jared

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Re: KCLUG iCal/vCal/iCalendar/vCalendar
by Chris Bier 06 Jul '05

06 Jul '05

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Jim Herrmann wrote: > The after meeting meetings would be good. Done. - -- I digitally sign my emails. If you see an attachment with .asc, then that means your email client doesn't support PGP digital signatures. http://www.gnupg.org/(en)/documentation/faqs.html#q1.1 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFCzAFiE5xXU3JS1mQRAveUAKCSuIrHf43BYmidLJNI36jedl/75ACbBClR yZe5mptC0NymEeMwFlWFwRY= =A8dP -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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RE: KCLUG iCal/vCal/iCalendar/vCalendar
by Kelsay, Brian - Kansas City, MO 06 Jul '05

06 Jul '05

I spoke too soon. I checked the wikipedia link and see that I need Sunbird. That ought to be easy. Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem. ---Occam -----Original Message----- From: Kelsay, Brian - Kansas City, MO What do you use to open these. I'm on a Windoers XP box at work. Firefox seems unable to open them. Outlook has no clue. What next? Open Office? -----Original Message----- From: Chris Bier I've added an iCal/vCal/iCalendar/vCalendar[1] to the KCLUG website. http://www.kclug.org/KCLUG.ics Let us know if we need to add anything else to it. Chris [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICalendar - --

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RE: KCLUG iCal/vCal/iCalendar/vCalendar
by Kelsay, Brian - Kansas City, MO 06 Jul '05

06 Jul '05

What do you use to open these. I'm on a Windoers XP box at work. Firefox seems unable to open them. Outlook has no clue. What next? Open Office? Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem. ---Occam -----Original Message----- From: Chris Bier I've added an iCal/vCal/iCalendar/vCalendar[1] to the KCLUG website. http://www.kclug.org/KCLUG.ics Let us know if we need to add anything else to it. Chris [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICalendar - --

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KCLUG iCal/vCal/iCalendar/vCalendar
by Chris Bier 06 Jul '05

06 Jul '05

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I've added an iCal/vCal/iCalendar/vCalendar[1] to the KCLUG website. http://www.kclug.org/KCLUG.ics Let us know if we need to add anything else to it. Chris [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICalendar - -- I digitally sign my emails. If you see an attachment with .asc, then that means your email client doesn't support PGP digital signatures. http://www.gnupg.org/(en)/documentation/faqs.html#q1.1 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFCy0zGE5xXU3JS1mQRAo7+AJoCY/Xx4jWm01RGXkTqu+Av0ayfAQCgsumC ARSr/iEoeICLPKcBd8efSGE= =xl0z -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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FTP client and history
by brad 05 Jul '05

05 Jul '05

I have a strange problem. From my desktop (FC3/KDE) I can ftp from Konsole to my FC3 servers and the up arrow shows my command history and the backspace key moves you back a space like expected. However, when I ftp from my linux servers to another ftp server, the up arrow gives me '^[[A'. In addition, a coworker with a Windows desktop sees the same behavior but also loses his backspace ability when ftp'ing from the linux servers. My backspace works fine. He is always connecting to the servers through secureCRT. Can anyone offer any insight as to why this happens and how to correct it? Not having history in ftp is annoying. Thanks, Brad

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RE: FTP client and history
by Kelsay, Brian - Kansas City, MO 01 Jul '05

01 Jul '05

I believe that for each new server you connect to, it is like opening a new terminal with a blank history. Assuming you are using cmd line ftp. Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem. ---Occam -----Original Message----- From: kclug-bounces(a)kclug.org [mailto:kclug-bounces@kclug.org] On Behalf Of brad Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 10:43 AM To: kclug(a)kclug.org Subject: FTP client and history I have a strange problem. From my desktop (FC3/KDE) I can ftp from Konsole to my FC3 servers and the up arrow shows my command history and the backspace key moves you back a space like expected. However, when I ftp from my linux servers to another ftp server, the up arrow gives me '^[[A'. In addition, a coworker with a Windows desktop sees the same behavior but also loses his backspace ability when ftp'ing from the linux servers. My backspace works fine. He is always connecting to the servers through secureCRT. Can anyone offer any insight as to why this happens and how to correct it? Not having history in ftp is annoying. Thanks, Brad _______________________________________________ Kclug mailing list Kclug(a)kclug.org http://kclug.org/mailman/listinfo/kclug

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