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the future of wardriving :)
by David Nicol 02 Feb '07

02 Feb '07

http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2088910,00.asp?kc=EWSTEEMNL020107EOAD -- Q: How do I decode unix seconds-since-the-epoch timestamps? A: xterm -T TIMESTAMP_TRANSLATOR -e perl -ple'$_= ~~localtime$_' &

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Fwd: PL/I for GCC version 0.0.14 release
by David Nicol 02 Feb '07

02 Feb '07

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: henrik.sorensen(a)balcab.ch <henrik.sorensen(a)balcab.ch> Date: Feb 2, 2007 6:01 AM Subject: PL/I for GCC version 0.0.14 release To: gcc(a)gcc.gnu.org February 2007 This is the fourteenth code drop of the GCC front-end for the PL/I programming language. PL/I for GCC is released under the terms of the GNU Public License; version 2. With pl1gcc-0.0.14 another important milestone has been reached. v0.0.14 is the first release where it is possible to create a partly referencelist for the variables in a program, and an overview of %INCLUDE files. Beside structure level information the referencelist contains the following declare attributes: REAL/COMPLEX FIXED/FLOAT BINARY/DECIMAL AUTOMATIC/BASED/CONTROLLED/DEFINED/STATIC/PARAMETER INTERNAL/EXTERNAL AREA/BIT/CHARACTER/GRAPHIC/PICTURE/WIDECHAR/DATE PROCEDURE/ENTRY There is still no code generation taking place, so don't run out and uninstall your production PL/I compiler just yet :-) Changes in v0.0.14 * added location information to most messages * get rid of warning messages when building pl1gcc * synchronize with gcc version 4.3 Changed syntax in v0.0.14 * allow the tilde(~) character as not operator * allow BUFF as abbreviation for BUFFERS * allow ENVIRONMENT( ... ) as part of OPEN statement * allow %INCLUDE to have filename inside quotes Sourcecode contributions to pl1gcc * From Andy&Pam Norrie: a project used for score keeping of match-races for halfton yachts. For a complete list of changes check the CHANGELOG file. What is pl1gcc? The pl1gcc project is an attempt to create a native PL/I compiler using the GNU Compiler Collection. The project is looking for more people to join the development and testing. There are a number of interesting tasks related to the pl1gcc project, where any help would be greatly appreciated. a) Error regression infrastructure b) Error message codes c) Case insensitive include name expansion d) Test cases e) Project web pages f) Language reference manual g) User guide h) Tutorial to PL/I i) Frequently asked questions j) Internals of pl1gcc For more information, comments, feedback and download, please visit http://pl1gcc.sourceforge.net Finally, remember to have some fun. The GCC PL/I Team. Web links mentioned: http://pl1gcc.sourceforge.net -- Q: How do I decode unix seconds-since-the-epoch timestamps? A: xterm -T TIMESTAMP_TRANSLATOR -e perl -ple'$_= ~~localtime$_' &

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Lame Linux
by Jonathan Hutchins 01 Feb '07

01 Feb '07

I was browsing MicroCenter yesterday, and looked at their Linux selection. Seems to me like they used to carry the majors, Red Hat, SuSE - I know I remember seeing SuSE there (pre-Novell). The only recognized brand I saw yesterday was Linspire, a few generic repackaged CD's, and a couple fairly obscure brands I don't remember. None of the majors were represented. I wonder why this is. Is it just too easy to get them off the internet? Has the market for purchased editions collapsed? Did they get stuck with too many copies of older versions as distros evolved too rapidly over the last few years? I checked the book section. Plenty of Red Hat books, only one on Ubuntu.

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Request for Presenter Demonstrator
by Arthur Pemberton 31 Jan '07

31 Jan '07

Dear KCLUG List, I am emailing on behalf of the UMKC Chapter of the Association for Computing Machinery (I haven't finished building our website yet). As part of the School of Computing and Engineering's "E-Week" (Feb. 19 - 23), I am attempting to organize a "Linux on the desktop" demonstration which would be open , and advertised to the UMKC student body. The objectives which I would like to meet are as follows: - Boost interest, membership, and awareness of my organisation - Boost awareness of the availability of operating system other than those produced by Microsoft and Apple - Correct misconceptions that Linux is only used on servers - Generally show that Linux can be a viable foundation on which users can focus on productivity, while still having a full functioning personal computer complete with "shinny" graphics. I hope to also present Linux running on my office machine (customized to various themes) along side, or more in assistance to the KCLUG representatives. Currently, there is very little probability of financial incentives. The presenter(s) would have to supply their own hardware, however, I should be able to organize transportation. I am currently unaware of (but can find more information if necessary) of the cable television coverage within the SCE building - in case the presenter(s) would like to showcase MythTV (or TvTime). The exact day of the week and time have not yet been decided by the organizers of the week, however, demonstration length would be between 30 mins and 60 mins. Wifi and ethernet access can be provided for. I hope that some members will be willing to make this presentation and represent KCLUG. Please reply on or off list ( I do not have a preference). And please feel free to request any further information that may be needed to come to a decision. Thank you. Arthur Pemberton President UMKC ACM -- Fedora Core 6 and proud

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Question about the list and follow up to advice questions
by cragos＠gmail.com 31 Jan '07

31 Jan '07

I moved all the way back to KC to attend KCLUG meetings, and I've already missed two. I could set up some sort of reminder myself, but it might be more useful to have an automated mailer send messages out to the group at large or a second mailing list. Can the list admin set up a second list, perhaps kclug-announce, with announcements about forthcoming meetings 24 hours prior, and announcements about special events as needed? PS: If anyone's wondering, I'm good and settled now, up in NKC. At my apartment complex, the only ISP options were SBC and Roadrunner. As the reason Speakeasy was unable to provide service was that my area was on an SBC DSL repeater to which they didn't have access. Not having any interest in being on an overloaded repeater, I went the TW route.

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Custom LiveCD Internet Kiosk - was Re: Ethereal
by Jon Pruente 30 Jan '07

30 Jan '07

On 1/25/07, Oren Beck <orenbeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: > All of my scenarios are to pick brains for getting such projects > either assembled by others or getting directed myself to do these > things. I just found the MorphixLiveKiosk http://www.morphix.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=80&Itemid=… There is also a seemingly easy to use remaster setup for Puppy Linux. I haven't tried either of these, but they look promising for a good starting point. I've run Puppy, and it's pretty dang fast. I've never mastered my own LiveCD before, but the pages on puppyos.com make it look fairly easy. Jon.

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RE: Question about the list and follow up to advice questions
by Kelsay, Brian - Kansas City, MO 30 Jan '07

30 Jan '07

>-----Original Message----- >From: djgoku >Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 6:41 PM >On 1/27/07, Arthur Pemberton <> wrote: >> >> I have found TimeWarner RoadRunner to be quite good myself. Do note >> however, that they block of port 631 > >So what is port 631 used for other than below? > >ipp 631/udp # IPP (Internet Printing Protocol) >ipp 631/tcp # IPP (Internet Printing Protocol) > >I haven't seen/heard many people printing from the internet. I have a buddy that scanned his cable subnet, found some open shares, open machines, open everything, a few were even spewing crap on the subnet (broadcast, spam zombie, etc.) and he was able to remotely print to their printers to tell them how to fix it. Or if they had some tasty files, he waited a bit. ;-) So, far as I can tell, that's what remote printing is for.

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Looking for Tom Margrave
by Ed Allen 30 Jan '07

30 Jan '07

Does Tom still read this list ? Does anybody here know how to get in touch with him ?

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RE: DSL minimized was Re: Political Blather
by Kelsay, Brian - Kansas City, MO 28 Jan '07

28 Jan '07

Ethereal would not be something an average user needs right off the bat. I just looked and ethereal is not avail. for DSL. If you need it on a rescue disk, you can build a .dsl, .uci, or .unc pkg and place it on a customized DSL CD so that it loads on boot. You can also submit the pkg to the group for hosting at the mirrors so that everyone else can use it. ftp://ftp.oss.cc.gatech.edu/pub/linux/distributions/damnsmall/current/do cumentation/Howto_create_.dsl_application.pdf ftp://ftp.oss.cc.gatech.edu/pub/linux/distributions/damnsmall/current/do cumentation/MyDSLhowto.pdf >-----Original Message----- >From: Jared >Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 2:02 PM > >> Eh... if DSL is so small, why does it need to be compressed >to fit on a CD? > >Because the CD fits in your wallet. It's a 50MB business-card CD. > >Spend a few minutes on the DSL site. It's very cool, even if >they left out ethereal... :) > >http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/usb.html > >-Jared >

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RE: DSL minimized was Re: Political Blather
by Kelsay, Brian - Kansas City, MO 26 Jan '07

26 Jan '07

The point of compressing is to fit more on the CD. Knoppix does this too. DSL just limits itself to 50MB as a line in the sand they will not cross. There have been others like Puppy and Flonix that crossed the size border to add even more of what they thought was useful. Flonix went commercial and Puppy has gone off in their own direction, but is still very similar to DSL. DSL has forced itself to chop out that which is not needed for a LiveCD, like apt and dpkg and replace standard gnu-utils with busybox and writing their own apps in lua, like the mixer applet, the myDSL interface and the control panel applet. Lua is a little like Perl, very small and very powerful. If you wanted to build your own DSL that was not compressed, I'd imagine you would end up with something like 2x the size requirements, 100MB. I just remembered one other thing about DSL's small size, it allows you PLENTY of space on a full-sized custom build CD at 650MB to add all the extra apps that have been pkged to work with DSL. I've done that before and maxed out a 650MB disk. Games galore and you name it, but I still didn't have room for everything. I mostly did this to see what I could do and to test apps in the repository to see that they worked with new versions of DSL. I had to stop at some point when I got too busy. >-----Original Message----- >From: Luke -Jr >Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 2:24 PM > >On Wednesday 24 January 2007 14:01, Jared wrote: >> > Eh... if DSL is so small, why does it need to be compressed to fit >> > on a CD? >> >> Because the CD fits in your wallet. It's a 50MB business-card CD. > >Ah, makes sense. ;) >But what would be cooler is a wallet-CD uncompressed that >just boots to a NX terminal or recovery cmd prompt... http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/wiki/index.php/Frequently_Asked_Questions# How_can_I_have_a_VNC_server_start_automatically_at_boot.3F you can do something similar with the nxclient in the MyDSL repo.

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